So I was looking at the specs for the Ceton quad tuner I'm looking to get - it says it's about 6.5". This is going to be a problem with my micro ATX system I have been running for the last 2.5 years in the bedroom with a Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L . I just barely got an HVR-2250 in the PCI-e slot not being used by the video card, and the HVR-1800 I tried to put in there would not fit - the RAM was in the way. So I am ordering a slight upgrade to deal with this. I have ordered a MB/CPU/RAM bundle with an Intel BOXDG41KR which also has onboard HDMI which will go very nicely into my Sony Bravia TV. It also looks like both the PCI-e 16x and PCI-e 1x slots will run clear of the RAM slots, YAY! and I don't even have to get a video card to get TV out!